Henry Raymond
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: CLach on October 24, 2011, 10:31:31 AM
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So my family and I have only been in VT for the last 3 yrs....with all of these recent breakins, my wife and I have been discussing owning a handgun, especially with 2 little children in the house. We are very responsible people and have every intention of locking this weapon away and kept out of reach of the children of course.
So this brings me to my question: Is it true that you dont need a permit or a license to purchase or carry a handgun or rifle in VT? My home state of MA has much different laws I hear, I want to make sure I am following the laws of this great state. Thank you, any input you could provide would be appreciated
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That's absolutely true :) no permit is needed to own or carry a gun- handgun, shotgun, rifle- in the state of Vermont.
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/VTSL.pdf (http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/VTSL.pdf)
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No permit is required. Here are the laws: http://www.atg.state.vt.us/issues/gun-laws.php (http://www.atg.state.vt.us/issues/gun-laws.php)
You can own a firearm in about 15 minutes.
For home defense, you're better off going with a shotgun.
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Stay clear of schools and federal buildings and you are good to go!! No permit to carry or own in our great state!!!
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Thx all, appreciate all the feedback, all good stuff. God I love this state
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God I love this state
Me too, most of the time :)
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Since we're on the subject of rifles & state laws:
Anyone have a clue about transporting rifles across state lines? I know Mass has a big sign about concealed weapons...
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Massachusetts has gun laws to "keep people safe"
http://www.massgunlawreform.com/evidence.html (http://www.massgunlawreform.com/evidence.html)
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Under federal law, a person is allowed to transport a firearm across state lines from a place where it is legal to possess the firearm to another place where it is legal to possess the same firearm. The firearm must be unloaded and in a locked case or the trunk. Do not use the glove compartment or center console. Remember federal law overrides any state or local laws a buddy of mine that had to remind a MA police officer of this on his way from ME to AZ. I believe there is something you can print off the ATF or NRA website that has the actual section of law printed on it. It probably wouldn't hurt to carry it while traveling just in case you get pulled over by a LEO.
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http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/federal/read.aspx?id=59]FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION
OF FIREARMS
A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.
Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered.
Travelers should be aware that some state and local governments treat this federal provision as an "affirmative defense" that may only be raised after an arrest. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit has also recently held that FOPA`s protections only apply while the firearm is not readily accessible to the traveler, and that a firearm is readily accessible during a hotel stay
Courtesy of [url]http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/federal/read.aspx?id=59 (http://FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION
OF FIREARMS
A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.
Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered.
Travelers should be aware that some state and local governments treat this federal provision as an "affirmative defense" that may only be raised after an arrest. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit has also recently held that FOPA`s protections only apply while the firearm is not readily accessible to the traveler, and that a firearm is readily accessible during a hotel stay
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I would recommend getting training in firearm safety once you make your purchase. You need to be comfortable, confident and safe. A good place for training is a local range. A home alarm system is helpful too!
I wish you good luck and safety!
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I vote for the gun over an alarm system! In the event of an intruder, I want action not noise but that is just me.
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What Nancy said.
Take a class and learn the rules of force.
When, where, and who..
Me and the kid just had a debate about this.
He factually stated we do not need any permit or license in Alaska.
BUT I counter debated, that education and diploma or whatves, may save your butt if you get into an altercation if you are outside of your home. Legal wise. He is over twenty one and we goggled lawyer fees, alaska, misconduct firearms.
He is taking a class.
This story makes me think hmmmm....
My side of Anchorage,,, I love it!
http://www.adn.com/2011/11/10/2163898/police-say-two-dead-in-apparent.html (http://www.adn.com/2011/11/10/2163898/police-say-two-dead-in-apparent.html)
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Mike,
That is a great story. Speaks volumes to being prepared for home defense. Now I am not a lawyer, but I do base things off of reasonable man theory. Those scumbags in that story, got exactly what they deserved. The bonus is that the police were actually able to identify accomplices and take them into custody. But, I predict at some point you will be able to read their names in the paper winding up the same way as the previous pair. But just gathering info from the story, sounds like Mr. James had some training. No mention of the number of rounds he fired, but it appears that both intruders were hit in the torso. Double taps I am hoping. Now I wonder what type of shooting stance he was in. Typical range instruction only teaches how to fire on the range. But I am sure that is a different stance than what he was probably in, either kneeling on the floor to open the safe or some other configuration. Again, this speaks to preparation. Think and train to the worst case scenario. Anyway. Great story. Thanks.
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"I vote for the gun over an alarm system! In the event of an intruder, I want action not noise but that is just me."
I would vote for a pump shotgun....the sound of the shell being chambered by the pump action would be enough to strike fear in even the most stupid of criminals! Just the thought makes me smile!
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The only time some scumbag is going to hear the sound of chambering a round would be when they hear me cycling the action in order to send my follow-up shot. Scaring these types is a mute point, obviously they are already showing no concern for being caught. Maybe that speaks to our legal system or perhaps just their poor judgement.
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WHOA WHOA.....
Please do not mistake my post as PRO Rambo.
Education would keep the gun owners, God forbid they have to use them in self defense, on the correct side of the law.
Clam heads would be sorta cool too.
Someone knocking on your door don't mean you can blast them, but we ALL know that.
This man, "victim", in the story raises a lot of questions on my end.
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I found this video interesting.
It's from an USAF Instructor, that talks about what may happen when you shoot in self defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lh5bAARcMg
(there's some NSFW language)
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Scott,
With regards to ROE's and post shooting investigations / civil lawsuits. 3 criteria need to be met in order for lethal force to be authorized. Ability, opportunity and manifest intent. And even those can be fluid depending on the situation. But if some methhead breaks into your house at late at night, and your react. If he is armed, even with a baseball bat or crowbar, that means he can do lethal harm to you. (He now meets the ability criteria). He is in your house and you and your family are in your house at the same time. (He has now met the opportunity criteria). If you tell him to stop, or freeze or give him any command which he ignores, or if he makes movement toward you or someone in your family, (he has now met the manifest intent criteria) and you are authorized the use of deadly force. If only your wife or child were home and the intruder was unarmed, but larger than your family member, and he made movement towards them, they are cleared hot to use deadly force. Hell, if he is bigger than you, and you are "in fear for your life and those of your family" you are authorized the use of deadly force. Very simple, clear and easy to teach to family members.
With regards to civil lawsuits from scumbags family, sure there is that potential. Until such time that Vermont adopts the Castle Doctrine, which provides immunity to anyone who defends his home (castle), his family or his property, from civil lawsuits from said methhead/scumbags family. Currently 31 states have some form of the Castle Doctrine / Law which protects the shooter in this scenario. Anti gun zealots do not like this law, however, more states are accepting this need. The Castle Doctrine also protects you if you are in your vehicle and someone tries to carjack you, or you are in a restaurant and someone starts shooting the place up. Obviously, good judgement is necessary in any setting where a stray round could cause injury to an innocent person.
Just remember to keep it simple.... ability, opportunity and manifest intent. Those three things are met and it is time to take the slack out and maintain front site focus. And remember, anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice.
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Thanks Thor.
Very well said.
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I found this video interesting.
It's from an USAF Instructor, that talks about what may happen when you shoot in self defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lh5bAARcMg
(there's some NSFW language)
Good Video.
YOU TUBE ROCKS!