Henry Raymond
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lilone on July 28, 2009, 07:25:14 PM
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Sunday July 26, 2009 there was a robbery on Mainstreet in Fairfax. After talking with other Fairfax residents, and citizens who work in Fairfax, this seems to be a growing problem and concern. All the robberies point to the same group of people and same street and yet nothing is being done about it. How many more hard working citizens need to go through the emotional roller coaster of some criminal riffling through personal belongings and taking whatever they please? As a community, we should be able to do something
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I've taken notice in the last few months more and more people go really slowly by our place. We've even had some pull up to the gate then turn around and leave. This gate has been up since 94 and we've had very few people do this but 2-3 in a month is a bit creepy. We do have the guns and ammo to back it up, we will defend ourself if something should happen, but don't want it to come to this. I know police coverage is sparse and I believe the theives do to.
We had a problem with break-ins back in the mid 70's, a person broke into our home when we were sleeping (I was not) that was extremely frightening, glad I'm married to a veteran who knew how to defend his family.
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I was told there was a Robbery in the village on Fletcher Road last week also.
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A local police officer told me that two home have been broken into on Mead Road & one on Lawton Road.
I had a red jeep pull half way down my driveway and then back out when the driver saw me.
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There have been two robberies, that I'm aware of, on Michelle Rd., both last year. Not home invasions, car/truck was broken into and tools stolen. I don't think anyone is immune to this.
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From what I hear, These Main street robberies are near steeple market and are being done by a couple of teen boys, who start by scoping out the places asking for bottle donations, then returning for a break in. One of these happened in broad daylight, they cut through a screened window. They took cash and rolled coins, another resident said he missed some beer and noticed that his screen was replaced wrong.
Suspicion has it that they are under age, looking for cash for soda, candy and who knows what else. Teens at loose ends on hot boaring summer days, with no regards for other people or any thought of the stress they inflict on our community, because they are simply too young to understand.
keep your houses locked and get big scary dogs to keep predators at bay.
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When I moved here 2 years ago, I kept hearing noises in my garage in the middle of the night and other places outside the house. Not to mention the doorbell ringing at 1am etc. I ended up buying a gun to protect my family. Here in rural Vermont I didn't feel safe in my own home. That was after living for 6 years about an hour outside of New York City where I never had this problem.
If these are teenage boys, their parents had better rein them in very quickly or they could end up shot. It is legal in Vermont to shoot a person that has broken into your home. There is no duty to retreat any longer.
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Keep your eyes open around colonial rd.
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I google maped fairfax and am putting pins where the robberies took place. So far there is almost a complete circle around maple street. Go figure. Anyone else know where there were any robberies in fairfax? It could even be as far as 3 years back.
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I know that the green house next to Country Pantry has two burgleries at their neighbors house, althoug I am not sure which side.
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I received another report of a robbery that occurred across from Minor's Store. A small safe was stolen - It contained no money or valuables, just sentimental photos that are irreplaceable.
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It's getting rediculous. Since I was 10 I had been collecting old coins. Wheat pennies, indian head pennies, bicentennial quarters ect. and some little punk just came right in and took them all.
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The teen stole 40.00 worth of coins, rolled, then went to Minors to cash them in.
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Yes and his friend cashed in $20 in ones. When asked where he got the money, the friend had nothing to say. Then after they cashed in the first time, they went back to minors after the cop had left they tried to go back in, but got kicked out for good. And another man went in and cashed in a winning lottery ticket that was stolen from the house.
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So I ask, at what point do people start taking matters into their own hands? Is there a description of the culprits? Does anyone know names? How about posting these bits of info so that people are aware of WHO these culprits are? When do the victimized start to put the heat on not only to the culprits, but also to the sheriff's dept. whom we pay a considerable amount of money to, to catch these culprits? Hey Josh, not to put you on the spot, but do you have any suggestions?? To some, these burglaries may seem small, but to those victimized, it is such a violation of privacy, of personal belongings! When Dale's chainsaws where stolen, it was not only the fact that they were STOLEN, but the fact someone had the audacity to take something from INSIDE your home.....that doesn't belong to them, that you have worked hard to buy, that will cost how much if you were to replace it, makes the B.P. go sky high just thinking about it!! Someday we hope these culprits are caught & forced to do restitution....or maybe caught by the homeowner whom takes matters into their own hands.
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It is SUCH and invasion of privacy. They went through all my drawers and my mother's drawers, the bathroon, and the garage. I have dreaded looking in the basement to find out what else is missing. Their main target was a jug full of cash pocket change and winning lottery tickets. Quick cash. They most likely went through the woods, no one saw them and they left out the back door. So to all out there who have pocket change or cash you've been tucking away lying around, put it some place buglar proof. They will go looking for it.
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I work with a guy who had his work shop burglarized in Northern NY. A week later, he caught two kids in the act of taking tools from his shop. He managed to detain one with the help of quick thinking and some plastic cable ties.
While he could have gone to the cops, he instead drove the kid to his home and sat down with the kids parents.
The parents agree to the kid doing 100 hours of work for the guy in addition to replacing tools taken previously. The kid also ratted out his buddy. My co-worker, the 1st kid caught, and the kid's father all went to visit the second kid's parents who also agreed to the same terms for the second kid.
I hope a similar situation is reached here BUT that requires parents who actually care about their kids futures which MIGHT not be the case here.
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I do hope they get caught. Whether it be by police or homeowner. They need to be taken off the street soon, before someone gets hurt.
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Lilone,
Today some officers from the sheriff's department caught a couple kids on River Rd. with a bag full of rare coins. I told them that I read your post and they would like you to contact them ASAP. One of the kids assaulted a mother while she was walking her kids in a stroller, she and her husband risked a lot keeping one of the kids at the scene. They will only be charged if someone will come forward to describe the coins that were found in the kids possession. These kids are a menace to our town and we need to band together to show them they will no longer get away with their crimes.
Rob
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you cant do to them what you would like to but a good ass beating goes a long way
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Check
http://www.vtgrandpa.com/forum/index.php?topic=6660.0 (http://www.vtgrandpa.com/forum/index.php?topic=6660.0)
for more info on the recovered property.
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Rob,
Thank you!
Lilone
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I hope the people do come forward to claim the coins & that these culprits are held accountable for all they've done. I hope they find a new home somewhere else, far away from here & forget this town & never return, unless they are rehabilitated! That'll happen -NOT! But in the meantime, the mom that was assaulted gets no respect, no restitution for this assault because if she did press charges, it's my understanding it would cost HER legal fees to do so BUT the little culprits legal fees would be paid for from us taxpayers!!!! go figure!!!!!!!!!! And they'd probably get away with it with a little scolding only to turn around & do it again! So they are of minor age so we have to be cautious to not name them although they aren't too young to do the crime!! Do the crime & pay the time! I agree a good butt beating may be what they need! Guarantee it won't help. And I hear the parent is a single mom.....so are many others -ME- & you didn't see my boys nor will you or they will suffer consequence at home, so that comment is a total cop-out. I have raised 3 boys on my own, and it does take a community to help & for that I am thankful to live here in Fairfax, as when my guys have done something, real friends tell you so that you hope & try to make it right, & hopefully teach them to be responsible, respectable citizens that earn their living by WORKING & not stealing. My almost 20yr old still gets questioned & answers to me as no matter what age, he is my son, & although he looks at it as someone "rats "him out, I tell him it's because they care. My boys are not perfect, but I hope I have instilled in them better values than the culprits we are talking about! I have used the term "culprits" for no other reason than an acceptable word able to print. So to that mom that was assaulted, hats off to you for standing up to these kids.......next time call for backup 1st though for your safety. We'll be there!!
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Maybe next time the "little robbers" won't be so lucky as to get caught and walk away. If nothing is done it will only get worst, the next time they may be carted off in a body bag
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How are we supposed to get the word out and let people know who to watch out for if we can't name them? That's rediculous.
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If you or someone you know was a victim of these little thieves, call the Sherrifs Department. 524-2121 and ask for Deputy Underwood. He has some pretty specific coins in his possession, and will hopefully have more soon.
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My boys are not perfect, but I hope I have instilled in them better values than the culprits we are talking about!
The operative words here 3plusk are "instilled, better values." That's the difference in kids coming from any home situation. If values, such as respect for others, having manners, being thankful for what you have, treating your parents with respect etc., aren't taught from a young age, they simply aren't learned.
Nobody is perfect and my kids certainly aren't, but there is a big difference between imperfection and being a criminal! Parents don't seem to realize that allowing their kids to do,say, act, and have whatever they want may be easier when they're little, but has consequences when they're older.
I watched a woman in front of me in Price Chopper on day spend the whole check-out time yelling at and complaining about her son who was about 10. i couldn't see what (if anything) he was doing as his mom blocked my view, but she was seriously irritated with him and clearly looking for sympathy from the cashier.
I was tired and crabby and not in the mood to listen to her crap on her poor kid who was likely not doing much of anything. So I stood there, biting my tongue. When I was checking out, This boy and his mom were at the candy machines--he's begging for a quarter and she's complying! I really wanted to ask her why she was giving him what he wanted when she spent 10 minutes yelling at him for not behaving in the checkout line! I was even more irritated seeing her do that than i was listening to her in the first place!!
So at 10 he feels all entitled to have what he wants no matter what...there is a good chance that feeling doesn't go away at 14, 15, 16...who puts an end to it and how?
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So I ask, at what point do people start taking matters into their own hands? Is there a description of the culprits? Does anyone know names? How about posting these bits of info so that people are aware of WHO these culprits are? When do the victimized start to put the heat on not only to the culprits, but also to the sheriff's dept. whom we pay a considerable amount of money to, to catch these culprits? Hey Josh, not to put you on the spot, but do you have any suggestions?? To some, these burglaries may seem small, but to those victimized, it is such a violation of privacy, of personal belongings! When Dale's chainsaws where stolen, it was not only the fact that they were STOLEN, but the fact someone had the audacity to take something from INSIDE your home.....that doesn't belong to them, that you have worked hard to buy, that will cost how much if you were to replace it, makes the B.P. go sky high just thinking about it!! Someday we hope these culprits are caught & forced to do restitution....or maybe caught by the homeowner whom takes matters into their own hands.
Hey 3plusk,
I don't mind being put on the spot at all. As you know my Dad is in the same boat as Dale and many other residents of our town. This past year he has had tools and a chainsaw stolen along with the car wash being broken into 3 times!! How to make it stop or get a handle on it? Your guess is as good as mine. I believe that what we are doing here on Henry's site is the first step though. Keeping an open line of communication between the residents of Fairfax and our local Law Enforcement is key to putting a stop to all of this. It is hard for all of us to know what is going on or what to look for if we don't tell each other what we are seeing. I know that most of our trouble is located in 2 areas the center of town (maple street) and the area of Roodmill and Mead Road. I spend a lot of my own time cruising around theses areas as I'm sure you know, I just saw you today as a matter of fact. I try to remember the vehicles that go with the houses and keep an eye out for anything out of place but no luck yet : (... Hopefully now that I will be living right in town starting next week I will be able to be around more!!
Another thing to remember is that if people don't report stuff to the Sheriff's department they aren't going to know what is going on. It's just a phone call but it can make a difference information is key to catching people. Example: that kid you saw at 3 am walking around you might shrug off as weird but someone else up the road might be wondering who stole their tools last night. The sheriff's department is here to help us they have a lot of young motivated Deputies that I believe are eager to make a difference so don't be afraid to use them.
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Joshua: Quote "I spend a lot of my own time cruising around theses areas as I'm sure you know, I just saw you today as a matter of fact. I try to remember the vehicles that go with the houses and keep an eye out for anything out of place but no luck yet : (... Hopefully now that I will be living right in town starting next week I will be able to be around more!!"
Just remember there are many Realtors out there showing properties or doing Broker's price opinions for lenders (most of which are drive-bys), just because a car doesn't fit the house doesn't mean they are trying to break in or do harm. I do approximately 15-20 BPO's per month for lenders and all require driving by the property and taking photos, no contact is made with the property owner. Properties are either pre-forclosure or lenders are checking if the properties that they have a line of credit on are still at a good value.
There are many other realtors that do the same, I would hate to have a confrontation with a overly aggressive citizen because of this. I can think of a few times that I've had the home owner jump out and follow me to the town office when I get the assessors card and confront me . Most of the time these were people in foreclosure and make fore a very unpleasant situation.
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It absolutely amazes me that when we moved to Fairfax 3 years ago, we were told of the houses and folks on Maple Street. I drive by there every day on my way to school just to reinforce to my childdren "If I ever catch you or one of your friends walking down this street or going to those houses, you will be ------------------". If I know that, why does the school, neighbors, police, community stand for it. Our tax $$$ are enabling this to happen. What is up with that? All kids go through kid stages I understand. BUT, there is no way in hell those homes are safe to live in the way they are taken care of. My understanding is they have tried for over 1 year to get them out. No luck. No one else will rent to them. What do you do. Cut off the free check and put them all to work. I feel terrible for the landlord. The deposit will never cover the damages. It sickens me that people would do this but what makes me even more irritated is that we let it happen. I also think there should be a zoning issue with vehicles being able to just sit there and rot. What an eye sore and what an awful example of life so close to school. This is strictly my opinion but as a neighbor I would be having a fit. I feel much better now and thanks for listening. Shelly
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Being a landloard myself in town not sure I understand why you cannot evict them. By law a tenent needs 90 days for just cause and 6o days for reasonable doubt. And if the state or fed is paying there is a yearly inspection in order for the landlord to receive their money. I'm sure the house would not pass.
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It absolutely amazes me that when we moved to Fairfax 3 years ago, we were told of the houses and folks on Maple Street. I drive by there every day on my way to school just to reinforce to my childdren "If I ever catch you or one of your friends walking down this street or going to those houses, you will be ------------------". If I know that, why does the school, neighbors, police, community stand for it. Our tax $$$ are enabling this to happen. What is up with that? All kids go through kid stages I understand. BUT, there is no way in hell those homes are safe to live in the way they are taken care of. My understanding is they have tried for over 1 year to get them out. No luck. No one else will rent to them. What do you do. Cut off the free check and put them all to work. I feel terrible for the landlord. The deposit will never cover the damages. It sickens me that people would do this but what makes me even more irritated is that we let it happen. I also think there should be a zoning issue with vehicles being able to just sit there and rot. What an eye sore and what an awful example of life so close to school. This is strictly my opinion but as a neighbor I would be having a fit. I feel much better now and thanks for listening. Shelly
I have walked down Maple Street many times to get to the rec path, I've never had any problem with anyone on this street. I don't think it's right to condemn the whole neighborhood for one or two individuals. I don't know what or who you are talking about but there are legal ramifications for not paying your rent, get a lawyer and bring them to court. The deposit NEVER covers the damages that is a given, doing a good background and credit check is the only way to protect yourself. I've had to evict people and hiring an attorney is the best way, it expensive but it works. To sit by and allow something to happen that you don't approve of, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
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I was told today that a trailer with a boat on it, parked on route 104, apparently was hooked onto and stolen. Good idea if you have something on a trailer to lock the hitch so someone cannot just back up to it, hook it on to their trailer hitch and haul it away.
Remember, not everyone respects the fact that it is your property, not theirs.
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I wish I could take a walk with you then because I get very uncomfortable down there. There are only the 2 houses in question, not the whole street. Paying rent is not a problem either. The single mother makes more money than I do. All I am saying is this. " Clean up" those 2 houses and people would be a lot happier. They are way too close to school for these young kids to get caught up in that. I understand rumors are rumors but in this case, facts are facts. I personally do not like what I see nor do I like what i hear. Whatever it is, it is what it is and I think something should be done as a community to help.
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Sometimes it is more effective to approach a family relative to speak with these individuals. There might be someone here in this town who is related to these families. Has anyone tried that approach? For now it is just stealing, what happens when it grows into bigger crime with lasting effects?
Is it possible for the school and/or social service programs to help this community to get help for these young souls?
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When I drove by the house yesterday, it looked like most of the cars had been removed and I have seen nobody around there. Used to be a number of teenagers always hanging around the place.
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Yesterday there were also 3 State Troopers driving up and down main street. Maybe the kids got the hint.
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Dearon, I think most people realize the certain "kind" of people that are in question & most are smart enough to distinguish between someone acting strange driving by as opposed to someone like you, a realtor. Josh is a very smart guy, uses his head & doesn't jump to conclusions, nor would he confront someone in an irate way, UNLESS he had good reason. I many times see vehicles go by with "punks" in them & it's just a good idea to let them know you are around & keeping an eye out for yourself & your neighbor. I'd rather be safe than sorry! I don't know how often you go down Maple st., and it's not but only 2-3 houses we speak of here, but I'm with Shelley & don't like to drive down the street as I, & others I know, have been challenged by these brazen youngsters to not move out of the way so we can pass. Maybe when you've walked down these little culprits are off casing out their next home to break in or assaulting a lady with children! Thanks for the advice Josh, & unfortunately for ones like your dad, Dale & many others these culprits have robbed, I know of some that if they are caught at their home breaking in, they may sadly be carried out in a "body bag" as Dearon has stated! I just disagree with some of the sheriff's staff however...I know a few that are fantastic, BUT I've called a few times & am told to call state as no one is on in our area & once when a kid (now frequenting Maple st himself), was ripping boards off a building @ school & another time some were smashing windows @ school, it took a few calls there, with the final call saying some concerned citizens went after these kids & it may not be good for them, before school officials and/or troopers showed up.........our school chair may remember those times!!!!
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Dearon, I think most people realize the certain "kind" of people that are in question & most are smart enough to distinguish between someone acting strange driving by as opposed to someone like you, a realtor. Josh is a very smart guy, uses his head & doesn't jump to conclusions, nor would he confront someone in an irate way, UNLESS he had good reason. I many times see vehicles go by with "punks" in them & it's just a good idea to let them know you are around & keeping an eye out for yourself & your neighbor. I'd rather be safe than sorry! I don't know how often you go down Maple st., and it's not but only 2-3 houses we speak of here, but I'm with Shelley & don't like to drive down the street as I, & others I know, have been challenged by these brazen youngsters to not move out of the way so we can pass. Maybe when you've walked down these little culprits are off casing out their next home to break in or assaulting a lady with children! Thanks for the advice Josh, & unfortunately for ones like your dad, Dale & many others these culprits have robbed, I know of some that if they are caught at their home breaking in, they may sadly be carried out in a "body bag" as Dearon has stated! I just disagree with some of the sheriff's staff however...I know a few that are fantastic, BUT I've called a few times & am told to call state as no one is on in our area & once when a kid (now frequenting Maple st himself), was ripping boards off a building @ school & another time some were smashing windows @ school, it took a few calls there, with the final call saying some concerned citizens went after these kids & it may not be good for them, before school officials and/or troopers showed up.........our school chair may remember those times!!!!
These youngsters (if they are the same ones) were jumping on a trampoline one time and another time were in the road riding their bikes. Yes we had to walk around them but so what I've had to do do them many times in other towns and cities. I drive on this street all the time and have never had trouble. I guess it's because they knew I wasn't afraid of them?
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During the school year I drive down Maple street at least twice each weekday, and during the summer maybe once a week or every other week. I've never had a problem with anyone on that street. I had to figure out which house you people were talking about by the clues given in the conversation. Yes, I've seen the people hanging out at the house in question but I always just give them a smile and a nod and I'm on my way.
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It has not been mentioned yet but the other location of this story is within Colonial Estates. They association there has had years of dealing with the inappropriate behavior and actions of one unit owners children. One of them involved in this situation. Unfortunately attempts to get the parent to control them have been met with little success as well as hostile behavior from the adult who has no idea how far the association could crack down if necessary. Very sad that they have had to deal with the poor lack of parenting.