Cain

[mirjo]

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Mirjo,

     I didn't miss yours or Elizabeth Warrens' point. It is just that I disagree with both of you completely. This country was not founded on Socialist principles or Communist principles. We don't need the government to tell us what to do. We need them out of our lives. But you want Socialism. Therefore, I disagree with you.

I don't care if you disagree with me, it's still a free country. What you shouldn't do is tell me what you think I want, when you don't know what you're talking about.

I have often wondered if you know the meaning of the big scary S word that you throw around so liberally and I'm now fairly certain that you don't. Please look up the definition and think long and hard on it and  the things I have actually said. Then if you can draw a straight line from being against a huge (and widening) gap between the top 1% of earners and everyone else, just since Reagan was in office, and being a socialist, I will be happy to listen to you as you give me an explanation on how you came to that conclusion. Otherwise don't tell me what you think I want, when you have an irrational fear and not a clue about what I have been saying.


I didn't hear a socialist message in Warren's video, I heard an appeal to company owners to give some back to those coming up. Where did you hear Socialism? Was it the fact that she was suggesting a giving nature? I don't get that attitude. Why shouldn't companies invest in a future work force in some manner? Isn't it in their best interest to do so? Where are you coming up with the idea that to do such a thing is Socialist in nature? Why are you tossing out words without clearly understanding the definition?

I would like to believe I'm empathetic to others, not some political ideology. I am very much in favor of the free market and people earning whatever they can. I'm not against capitalism--I believe I have said as much on more than one occasion. I am against greed for the sake of greed.

Let me put it this way (as an example): Do the banks need all the fees they are collecting off the small businesses/people for use of debit cards/ATMs or are they being greedy? The push was to get everyone to use a debit card and ATMs and once everyone (mostly) was hooked the banks that were once networked so you could use your card in a number of places w/out a lot of fees, stopped being networked it seems. Small stores like those here in town take a huge hit on fees for each debit/credit card use. I don't know how much is actually charged back to the customer or not, but is it all really necessary? I'm all for the banks making a profit--they are in business to do so, but by charging for every last transaction? Seems like a pretty big profit when it's all tallied. If you pay a fee on your checking account--those who don't have a certain balance (again, those with less money are hit harder) if you carry less than a certain amount in a savings account in some banks they take money out each  month!    But I guess this makes sense to the CEO who is looking at the bottom line. Who wants the low lives who can't keep a minimum of $500 in the bank (or whatever). It amazes me that people just keep crushing those who have little.

For someone so against entitlements, you appear to be all for  the entitlements of the very wealthy, while the rest of the people in the country take a hit. If that is not what you believe or how you feel, it is certainly how you come across every time you scream "Socialism!"   You are certainly an enigma.

[slpott]

I am not for either party but I am for the individual. I think that everyone should have the opportunity to go to school and be what they want to be. I also understand that some people don't know what that is. It is up to us to decide, whenever that may be, what we want to be and what we want to do. If I want to be a store owner and make minimum earnings compared to a Doctor, well then, so be it. It is not up to you or anyone else to compensate my choice. If I pay 10% and you pay 10% you are still going to pay more than me. The more you make, the more you pay. To me that is fair. If I go to the store to buy a loaf of bread, the loaf of bread should be the same price. Now, if I want a lobster tail and can't afford it then I don't eat lobster. However, I do not think it is fair to expect the ones that can to buy me one. Even the poorest of families have cell phones and things that they could live without. Since when was it a necessary item to have a cell phone and or ipod. So in my limited knowledge of politics, I am of the opinion that the opportunities should be out there but the decision is up to me what I want to do. If my large group of family and friends need something, that is up to me to help. If I have a child that does not want to work, it is up to me to take care of him. Not you. I guess what I am saying is if we make less than good choices, it is not up to anyone else but ourselves or our family to take care of it. We need to break the availability for people to choose not to work. We all need to work and help one another. Helping is different than being entitled. Now, there are people that can not work. That is a different story. There again we do need to help and therefore need some sort of assistance in this case. Those people are the ones that are entitled to help. Not the ones that choose not to work and want to eat lobster. Thanks for letting me vent. I think everyone has a right to their opinion but it is not okay to be name calling just because you feel differently. I statements work really well folks.

[Thor]

Mirjo,

     I do not know who you are or what you do. I would guess, by the sheer volumes that you write each time you post, that you are in journalism of some sort. Regardless, I am way less verbose, and will attempt to be "to the point" here..... I just crossed you off my Christmas card list!!

[Thor]

Mirjo,

     Of course, with that said, I still hope you have a great Christmas! You just won't get a card from me.


                                                                       Sincerely,

                                                                                  Thor

[rod anode]

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

[mirjo]

Thor,



I'm  just opinionated and say a lot, you're opinionated and say little; funny, we have something in common.

I appreciate the sparring and the fact that you're passionate about what you believe in.

I hope you have a great Christmas as well, a prosperous New Year, and of course--no need to look for a  card on this end either!

                                                                           Best,
                                                                           
                                                                                 mirjo

[mirjo]

Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

And the idiot being the one who doesn't stand in complete agreement with you?

I know a silk screener on Fletcher Rd.

I'll have t-shirts made.

What size do you wear?

[mirjo]

I am not for either party but I am for the individual. I think that everyone should have the opportunity to go to school and be what they want to be. I also understand that some people don't know what that is. It is up to us to decide, whenever that may be, what we want to be and what we want to do. If I want to be a store owner and make minimum earnings compared to a Doctor, well then, so be it. It is not up to you or anyone else to compensate my choice. If I pay 10% and you pay 10% you are still going to pay more than me. The more you make, the more you pay. To me that is fair.

Slpott, I've been told I say a lot (too much really), so I will try to be brief. I agree with what you're saying, I think anyway, but it seems like you have a couple of ideas going. My issue with a flat tax is that while it seems fair that everyone is paying the same percentage 10 % of 25K or less is a harder hit than taking 10% out of 50K or more. Everyone should have the same opportunity  to go to school (college or trade school, whatever) to become what they want. The question is, does everyone have that opportunity? I'm not sure they do.

I totally agree there are things that aren't necessities and if you can't afford them you shouldn't have them. Same with the lobster diet. If you have chosen a life of meager income then you have no right to expect more than what you have chosen for yourself. If you're stuck in a cycle of low pay/bad housing because you can't get a break to get out--that's different (I'm not saying you need welfare programs to help you out of it) I'm saying it's different from choosing that existence. This is where I think the country is failing people. Something is  severely wrong when only the top 1% (meaning those making millions) are the only ones who have been increasing their wealth, while the rest have not. Is it really so surprising that more people would need state/fed aid? I don't think so.

I think I've been putting out fair questions here. It's not just about welfare and abusers, it's a much bigger problem that we face as a whole. People who take advantage of the system are a small percentage in the big picture.

[mkr]

Shelly - Spot on! It's like you were in my head

[GamingWeasel]

Seems to be having a little trouble with the truth...might do well as a politician then.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/10/31/cains_story_shifts.html

[rod anode]

How is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?

[mirjo]

How is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?

Funny! So true.

[rod anode]

we need to have an henry forum party somewhere so i can put faces with names

[Thor]

Ed, Chris,

     Did you guys happen to see the Cain / Gingrich "debate"? I didn't see it live, as I have been working some crazy long days, but I was able to view segments online during my down time. Very interesting.... precursor maybe..... wouldn't that drive our counterparts crazy?

     Well, time to get back to work. Another long day ahead, but no complaints here. Hope all is well back there.

[Chris Santee]

I did not catch it, but I hope to online today, if I can find the time.
See you soon.