are you a maker or a taker??

[nhibbard]

Good point on the taking. I was looking at it from a public resource scope. the low wages and tax avoidance is a nice angle too.

[Loctavious]

good point wood stoves - but see that's how some folks push forward and stir support for their idealogoies and beliefs.  they phrase things purposely to speak to their supporters.  Liberals, conservatives, republicans, democrats ( and any other political movement in between who was latwe to figure that out)... they all do this.  I've found in my experience when conversign with others who both share same beleifs and have contrary, that admiting the imperfections of our beliefs, idealogies, preferences, political affiliations, etc usually avoids the defensive, pulpit-esque, attacking debates that otherwise righteous approaches spiral into.  No system humans have created is perfect on all levels as humans are imperfect.